Burke turns down 1st and a top 6 forward for Kaberle

Armster · #**181** 08-03-2010, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Emti

seguin is worth more then kessel IMO, i dont even think kessel is that good i would have rather had seguin and kept our 2011 1st round pick than hve phil kessel but hey thats just me

Seguin has a long way to go before this can be said.

Emti · #**182** 08-03-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Armster

Seguin has a long way to go before this can be said.

i just dont like the way kessel plays and would have rather had seguin and our 1st for next year. all im saying boys... im just not a big kessel fan i guess, i dont think he was worth it

Armster · #**183** 08-03-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Emti

i just dont like the way kessel plays and would have rather had seguin and our 1st for next year. all im saying boys... im just not a big kessel fan i guess, i dont think he was worth it

You don't have to like him but to deny the talent level is biased. To suggest Seguin is better than Kessel is absurd at this point.

TieClark · #**184** 08-03-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Armster

You don't have to like him but to deny the talent level is biased. To suggest Seguin is better than Kessel is absurd at this point.

This. If that 2nd 1st rounder isn't involved, we may have won that trade. Kessel is a 22 year old, back to back 30+ goal scorer. He's legit.

Pai Mei · #**185** 08-03-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Armster

You don't have to like him but to deny the talent level is biased. To suggest Seguin is better than Kessel is absurd at this point.

it's not really absurd at all. if seguin is projected to be far superior than kessel then it's perfectly valid to hold the opinion that seguin is worth more than kessel

LFSC · #**186** 08-03-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pai Mei

it's not really absurd at all. if seguin is projected to be far superior than kessel then it's perfectly valid to hold the opinion that seguin is worth more than kessel

Projected.

Pai Mei · #**187** 08-03-2010, 05:47 PM

yes, you have to trust scouts. otherwise you're going nowhere quick. im just saying, it isn't ridiculous that someone values seguin over kessel. maybe scouts have projected seguin to be at BEST a #2 center, but i think most of them have him as a possible #1 center. that's simply more valuable than kessel.

you don't dismiss a player because his worth is projected, you HAVE to, have to, have to trust the scouts.

Armster · #**188** 08-03-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pai Mei

yes, you have to trust scouts. otherwise you're going nowhere quick. im just saying, it isn't ridiculous that someone values seguin over kessel. maybe scouts have projected seguin to be at BEST a #2 center, but i think most of them have him as a possible #1 center. that's simply more valuable than kessel.

you don't dismiss a player because his worth is projected, you HAVE to, have to, have to trust the scouts.

Of course this is true. Otherwise, you'd get into the precarious position of having to argue that you value Armstrong over Hall for example.

The point put forth by the young man is that Seguin is better than Kessel. He's not, and it's not even close, my response was Seguin has a long way to go before that is true. At this point, I'd take Kessel over Seguin but that's a different argument than what he said which again was Seguin is better than Kessel.

TuckerIntensity · #**189** 08-03-2010, 06:31 PM

I don't know. It doesn't really bode well for us that they have another first rounder coming and already nabbed Seguin with one of the picks traded for Kessel. Put it this way, does Boston trade us Seguin for Kessel straight up? I doubt it, but maybe. They certainly don't trade him and next year's first. Now, shoe, foot, meet other. Would you trade Seguin for Kessel straight up? Or Seguin + a first rounder straight up? I know I wouldn't do the latter and I don't think I'd do the first. Yes, it's projection on Seguin's future and he could bust. Kessel could get Bryan Berarded too.

My biggest question though, how the hell did we get here in this thread?

Pai Mei · #**190** 08-03-2010, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TuckerIntensity

I don't know. It doesn't really bode well for us that they have another first rounder coming and already nabbed Seguin with one of the picks traded for Kessel. Put it this way, does Boston trade us Seguin for Kessel straight up? I doubt it, but maybe. They certainly don't trade him and next year's first. Now, shoe, foot, meet other. Would you trade Seguin for Kessel straight up? Or Seguin + a first rounder straight up? I know I wouldn't do the latter and I don't think I'd do the first. Yes, it's projection on Seguin's future and he could bust. Kessel could get Bryan Berarded too.

My biggest question though, how the hell did we get here in this thread?

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hmm no wait... i actually dunno. eerie.

Armster · #**191** 08-03-2010, 06:53 PM

Often times when discussing defensemen I like to look at how they perform in the playoffs too. For example, Beauchemin could be an average #3 guy all season but we know he's money in the playoffs. A true to life example of this is Hal Gill. We don't like to admit but the guy is a very valuable player in the playoffs while just barely a 2nd pairing guy in the regular season. Part of Schenn's legacy will come when the Leafs make the playoffs I think.

Sypher_04 · #**192** 08-03-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Armster

Often times when discussing defensemen I like to look at how they perform in the playoffs too. For example, Beauchemin could be an average #3 guy all season but we know he's money in the playoffs. A true to life example of this is Hal Gill. We don't like to admit but the guy is a very valuable player in the playoffs while just barely a 2nd pairing guy in the regular season. Part of Schenn's legacy will come when the Leafs make the playoffs I think.

Very true. Hall Gil may be kinda soft but he's a defensive rock in the playoffs. Schenn, is a warrior.

Armster · #**193** 08-03-2010, 06:57 PM

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Schenn, is a warrior.

I agree and I cannot wait until the Leafs make the playoffs again just to see Schenn in action; exciting thoughts.

nick_10 · #**194** 08-03-2010, 07:08 PM

I really think our team toughness will shine through when we finally make it to the playoffs again. Between Phaneuf, Schenn, Kulemin, Armstrong, Beauchemin, Komisarek and Orr there is a lot of sandpaper, a bit of skill and a whole lot of heart.

Emti · #**195** 08-04-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Armster

Of course this is true. Otherwise, you'd get into the precarious position of having to argue that you value Armstrong over Hall for example.

The point put forth by the young man is that Seguin is better than Kessel. He's not, and it's not even close, my response was Seguin has a long way to go before that is true. At this point, I'd take Kessel over Seguin but that's a different argument than what he said which again was Seguin is better than Kessel.

i never said seguin is better then kessel. i said i dont like the way kessel plays and i think seguin is and will be more valuable then kessel, i never said he was better tho, but what evs its done we have kessel so lets just win and make the playoffs in the next 10 yeaars please

Armster · #**196** 08-04-2010, 11:45 AM

I misread what you was layin down but what evs tho, dat mofo Kessel will walk da muthafuckin walk on da ice.

LFSC · #**197** 08-04-2010, 11:50 AM

rofl, nice.

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