[Dylbot]

Originally Posted by ajrs2000

1. Beginning of a new thread perhaps?

2. The point of the example was that there are many, many, many examples of such acts that outnumber the evil acts (ie. Holocaust). Now before you point that the single act of the Holocaust caused the deaths of countless millions, the many acts of good in the world probably saved the lives of countless millions. Even within the actions surrounding the Holocaust we have examples of good/kind acts (ie. people who tried to help save Jews/Poles/whatever from Hitler, Oscar Schindler, Maximillian Kolbe etc.)

3. & 4. The powers that be in the Catholic Church & other faiths, don't have any issues declaring that some people will go to heaven & others will go to hell. However, none have declared that Judas, or others in history, went to hell.
They cannot do that : Judge not lest ye be judged.

I think in the past some priests may have said that Judas is in hell, but the Catholic Church, and members of protestant faith groups, have never declared something on that subject.....they cannot.....if Judas, was truly sorry for what he did, and asked for forgiveness, God would forgive him.

How is deeming certain things like homosexuality and abortions as hell fire offences, not the passing of judgement?

It doesn't matter if a lot of good things add up and surpass the fewer, but more radical, evils. If you're looking for a super natural influence, look toward those events which are well outside the norm for human beings.

I'd say that the holocaust is something so unimaginably horrible to the vast majority of human beings. However, acts to save others are much more understandable as humanistic acts of compasion. If there is a super natural influence at work, it's one causing the acts that are most out of character for human beings, and In my opinion, it would be acts like the Holocaust. Since this is an evil act, the super natural influence would therefore be an evil one.

However, if you want to assert that kindness is more out of the ordinary for humanity and war and genocide is more normal for our species, perhaps you could then argue that there is a benevolent force at work, working against our nature. However, if that's the arguement, it would go against the Christian idea that we're creations of a benevolent God, formed in his image.

[ajrs2000]

Originally Posted by Dylbot

1. How is deeming certain things like homosexuality and abortions as hell fire offences, not the passing of judgement?

2. It doesn't matter if a lot of good things add up and surpass the fewer, but more radical, evils. If you're looking for a super natural influence, look toward those events which are well outside the norm for human beings.

I'd say that the holocaust is something so unimaginably horrible to the vast majority of human beings. However, acts to save others are much more understandable as humanistic acts of compasion. If there is a super natural influence at work, it's one causing the acts that are most out of character for human beings, and In my opinion, it would be acts like the Holocaust. Since this is an evil act, the super natural influence would therefore be an evil one.

However, if you want to assert that kindness is more out of the ordinary for humanity and war and genocide is more normal for our species, perhaps you could then argue that there is a benevolent force at work, working against our nature. However, if that's the arguement, it would go against the Christian idea that we're creations of a benevolent God, formed in his image.

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond.....your question is very thought provoking, and I want to answer it as simply and as truthfully as I can.


1. When I said passing judgement.....I meant we (you, me, people in general) should not be passing judgement. And we do not know what God thinks about homosexuality/abortion. I personally don't really care about homosexuality.....it has never really affected my life, and I have a few friends who are homosexual and I think they are great people. Abortion also does not affect me, although it did come up in my life last year with my third child who had a heart defect. I believe all human life (all life) is important. At conception you have the beginning of a new person.....DNA can prove that.....we may not be able to hear that person, but I believe that someone has to speak out for them.
Does that mean God thinks abortion is wrong and you are going to hell if you have one? I do not know.....and neither can any preacher.


2. You mention a couple things here, both inclined to saying that if there is supernatural influence, it must be acting against our normal human behaviour (ie. kindness)
How could that be true & false at the same time? It is true that there is some sort of supernatural influence that is working to get human beings to go against our normal behaviour. It is also false, that that supernatural influence would be God (or a benevolent creator) You're forgetting about that other influence.....Satan.

You mention the holocaust as being against our nature......and I would hope that you are correct....but sometimes I wonder if that is true as we seem to repeat those same events throughout our history. Is it because it is some outside influence that makes us go against our own nature? Possibly as I explained above. Is it because our own nature is more evil than good? I hope not. Is it because we are easily manipulated by captivating orators into believing something to be right, when history has shown it to be wrong? More likely.

You asked me earlier how a benevolent God can allow such evil things to happen to us. I don't think God wants such things to happen to us. I think God wants us to choose the path to follow. We can use the holocaust again as the example, as evil as it was and how that evil infected millions of good people into doing monsterous acts, we seem to forget the millions of good people who battled against those same monsterous acts.

It is similar to any parent.....you give your child everything they need to make the right choices in life......then you hope that they do. I doubt Bernardo's parents thought he would end up like the monster he became. Similarily with God, he does expect his children to act the way that they do.....we have a choice. Going back to the holocaust example, there were others who chose to do the exact opposite of what Nazi Germany was doing (ie. Oscar Schindler)......we have a choice.


I was looking for a Bible passage that may explain it better, and came up with John 10:10 :

10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

[slapshot]

Originally Posted by ajrs2000

You asked me earlier how a benevolent God can allow such evil things to happen to us. I don't think God wants such things to happen to us. I think God wants us to choose the path to follow. We can use the holocaust again as the example, as evil as it was and how that evil infected millions of good people into doing monsterous acts, we seem to forget the millions of good people who battled against those same monsterous acts.

It is similar to any parent.....you give your child everything they need to make the right choices in life......then you hope that they do. I doubt Bernardo's parents thought he would end up like the monster he became. Similarily with God, he does expect his children to act the way that they do.....we have a choice. Going back to the holocaust example, there were others who chose to do the exact opposite of what Nazi Germany was doing (ie. Oscar Schindler)......we have a choice.


I was looking for a Bible passage that may explain it better, and came up with John 10:10 :

10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

i didnt feel like picking apart your whole post because that is pointless, but i wanted to ask you a question regarding this bit:

if we have a choice, if we have freedom, then why hell? why judgment? a parent (to use your analogy) who never ever disciplines their child for doing something wrong, should not turn around and condemn them eternally to brutally torture for doing wrong things.

and why do bad things happen? the world, no the universe, exists in a state of zero intervention. the 'god' does not factor into the workings. so you can make an excuse for that if you want, but most of us will just continue to believe its because he doesnt exist, or doesnt give a fuck. if he *does* exist theres no point in wasting your time praying and worshipping because hes not going to intervene.

[ajrs2000]

Originally Posted by slapshot

i didnt feel like picking apart your whole post because that is pointless, but i wanted to ask you a question regarding this bit:

1. if we have a choice, if we have freedom, then why hell? why judgment? a parent (to use your analogy) who never ever disciplines their child for doing something wrong, should not turn around and condemn them eternally to brutally torture for doing wrong things.

2. and why do bad things happen? the world, no the universe, exists in a state of zero intervention. the 'god' does not factor into the workings. so you can make an excuse for that if you want, but most of us will just continue to believe its because he doesnt exist, or doesnt give a fuck. if he *does* exist theres no point in wasting your time praying and worshipping because hes not going to intervene.

1. We have freedom, and we have a choice.......so why the need for prisons? And I did not say that God never ever disciplines his children (ie. Sodom & Gommorrah, the Flood,etc), what I said was that even though he sometimes does discipline his children, we always have time to ask for, and recieve, forgiveness......if we choose too.

2. See if most of you continue to believe that God does not exist, that is your choice......however, there is no point then in blaming God or religion for the ills of mankind, when (guess what) we only have humanity to blame.

As for wasting time praying & worshipping......I don't find it a waste of time.....and again God sometimes does intervene (ie. miracles) Whether you choose to believe in them or not, is up to you.



Going back to point #2, even if religion did not exist, humanity would still find a reason to fight with each other. Be it capitalism vs communism, the colour of someone's skin, hair colour, republican vs democrat, etc. etc. etc. it simply would not matter. Somehow humanity would find a way to disagree with each other.
Now I know you are going to say that religion did more.....and I will grant you that, but non-religious disagreements have led to their fair share of destruction : ie. former Soviet Union, Khmer Rouge, genocides in Rwanda, etc. etc. etc. Even still, if you don't believe in God....and are proven correct in that belief, then the only thing you can blame things on is mankind.

[slapshot]

Originally Posted by ajrs2000

1. We have freedom, and we have a choice.......so why the need for prisons? And I did not say that God never ever disciplines his children (ie. Sodom & Gommorrah, the Flood,etc), what I said was that even though he sometimes does discipline his children, we always have time to ask for, and recieve, forgiveness......if we choose too.

2. See if most of you continue to believe that God does not exist, that is your choice......however, there is no point then in blaming God or religion for the ills of mankind, when (guess what) we only have humanity to blame.

As for wasting time praying & worshipping......I don't find it a waste of time.....and again God sometimes does intervene (ie. miracles) Whether you choose to believe in them or not, is up to you.



Going back to point #2, even if religion did not exist, humanity would still find a reason to fight with each other. Be it capitalism vs communism, the colour of someone's skin, hair colour, republican vs democrat, etc. etc. etc. it simply would not matter. Somehow humanity would find a way to disagree with each other.
Now I know you are going to say that religion did more.....and I will grant you that, but non-religious disagreements have led to their fair share of destruction : ie. former Soviet Union, Khmer Rouge, genocides in Rwanda, etc. etc. etc. Even still, if you don't believe in God....and are proven correct in that belief, then the only thing you can blame things on is mankind.

humanity is not to blame for the extreme increase of earthquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, wild fires, tornadoes etc over the past 10 years or less. these are natural phenomenon of the planet going though stages, the causes of which can be discovered scientifically, theorized at the moment on many things such as climate change, orbit shifting, cosmic rays, solar flares and 'speed wobble'.
god does not protect us from these things, in fact if there is a god he causes these things and all our science is bunk. a benevolent god does not allow innocent people, even babies to suffer and die horrible deaths. there is no 'lesson' to be learned in that. no greater purpose. just a monster in the sky torturing and toying with us like a cat does a captured mouse. and that is no god i would get on my knees for.

[ajrs2000]

Originally Posted by slapshot

1. humanity is not to blame for the extreme increase of earthquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, wild fires, tornadoes etc over the past 10 years or less. these are natural phenomenon of the planet going though stages, the causes of which can be discovered scientifically, theorized at the moment on many things such as climate change, orbit shifting, cosmic rays, solar flares and 'speed wobble'.

2. god does not protect us from these things, in fact if there is a god he causes these things and all our science is bunk. a benevolent god does not allow innocent people, even babies to suffer and die horrible deaths. there is no 'lesson' to be learned in that. no greater purpose. just a monster in the sky torturing and toying with us like a cat does a captured mouse. and that is no god i would get on my knees for.

1. That first sentence is pretty much false. Almost everyone of those natural disasters you have listed can be attributed to changes in weather that have been caused directly by man through global warming/cooling.
I remember reading a theory in university, where the scientist postulated that oil is what lubricates the plates that the earth "floats" on.....removing that oil from the ground will eventually lead to increase earthquakes.....I read this almost 20 years ago.


2. Again, since you don't believe in God and I assume you also do not believe in an afterlife, you cannot possibly see how this world is just a transitionary state to the next. That suffering my third child went thru, was terrible to watch, but I know that she is in a better place.....and I do not need to get on my knees to know that.
There are no lessons to be learned from such suffering (ie. earthquake victims).....do you really believe that? Here's something you may have forgotten, the suffering in Haiti still exists since the earthquake even though it is no longer in the news. No lessons to be learned.....how about the same one : ignoring the plight of those less fortunate than we are.......that seems to be a lesson that we never learn.

Ah, but you don't believe in God......fine then blame mankind for that ignorance.

[tristan28]

Lets nuke God.....and the whales......gotta nuke somethin'

[slapshot]

Originally Posted by ajrs2000

1. That first sentence is pretty much false. Almost everyone of those natural disasters you have listed can be attributed to changes in weather that have been caused directly by man through global warming/cooling.
I remember reading a theory in university, where the scientist postulated that oil is what lubricates the plates that the earth "floats" on.....removing that oil from the ground will eventually lead to increase earthquakes.....I read this almost 20 years ago.


2. Again, since you don't believe in God and I assume you also do not believe in an afterlife, you cannot possibly see how this world is just a transitionary state to the next. That suffering my third child went thru, was terrible to watch, but I know that she is in a better place.....and I do not need to get on my knees to know that.
There are no lessons to be learned from such suffering (ie. earthquake victims).....do you really believe that? Here's something you may have forgotten, the suffering in Haiti still exists since the earthquake even though it is no longer in the news. No lessons to be learned.....how about the same one : ignoring the plight of those less fortunate than we are.......that seems to be a lesson that we never learn.

Ah, but you don't believe in God......fine then blame mankind for that ignorance.

oil is what the plates float on? lol give me a break, thats entirely fail. the crust is like 100x thicker than how deep we drill for oil the plates 'slide' on the currents of the lava underneath. oil is whats left of organic biological waste from ages past. thats like grade 6 science...
as for everything being attributed to global warming caused by humans, that is all just theory. as i said, some scientists theorize that, some theorize solar flares are the cause, etc etc.

as for your final point... so you are saying that in order to teach me to be nicer and share a cup of sugar with my neighbours - god slaughters thousands of innocents..

i'm sure just popping up in front of me and telling me to be nicer would do the trick, without anyone having to suffer. but then, hes afraid to show himself... must be bad acne or something.

[wellwood2009]

If this thread continues any more...


Ill have to bring back everyone's most loved website on the net... again....


Dont make me do it people. To much of a good thing is bad for you

[tristan28]

Originally Posted by wellwood2009

If this thread continues any more...


Ill have to bring back everyone's most loved website on the net... again....


Dont make me do it people. To much of a good thing is bad for you

Do it!

[slapshot]

In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant
Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus
18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.

The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, written by a US man,
and posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of
debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other
elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there
'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room
here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also
tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go
to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?
Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family
affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan.

James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus,
Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education
University of Virginia PS (It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a
Canadian)

[wellwood2009]

That... Is beautiful! Im saving that. Its just to good to not be remembered.

Did she reply? Do you know? Id love to read that.

[PickupMorrison]

When is a religion to be taken seriously?

Behold the Church of the Gerbil, where the Ten Condiments command that you shall be fuzzy at all times and listen to “The Chipmunk Song” until the chinchillas come home.

Call us sacrilegious, but we find it hard to take a “religion” seriously when it not only promotes the use and sale of pot and gives membership cards to dogs, but also claims The Church of the Gerbil as an affiliate.

But the Church of the Universe does all of that and still insists it’s a bona fide religion that deserves an exemption under the Charter of Rights that would let them practise their beliefs by legally puffing away.

Brothers Peter Styrsky and Sharooz Kharaghani are the minister-members of the G-13 Mission of God, a branch of the Hamilton-based Church of the Universe which believes weed is a religious sacrament, or “the tree of life” as they call it.

But talk about your downer. Both men were charged with trafficking in 2006 after they allegedly sold marijuana to two undercover cops who infiltrated their church.

With the patience of Job, the Brothers have been in court for months now arguing that Ontario Superior Court Justice Thea Herman should throw out the charges because Canada’s pot laws violate their freedom of religion.

With closing arguments finally underway, the judge is in the unenviable position of deciding “what is a religion?” Not even Solomon had it this tough.

The defence has contended that religion is relative — it’s whatever an individual determines for himself. So if these beatific guys in the hemp beanies say pot brings them closer to a supreme being, it’s not the role of the federal government to question their beliefs.

But federal Crowns Nicholas Devlin and Donna Polgar of the Public Prosecution Service of Canada argue that, under the charter at least, religion isn’t whatever someone says it is and it’s certainly not a “church” created to try and get around marijuana laws.

“It cheapens and demeans freedom of religion to extend this right, enshrined to shield those who have suffered many of the most vicious acts of intolerance and oppression throughout history, to lifestyle choices, which even (they) don’t take seriously,” they wrote in their closing submission.

The Crowns questioned everything about the church, from its lack of theology and worship practices to its secular website and single point of belief. Nor did they buy Styrsky’s sincere belief in weed as a religious sacrament. Instead, they described him as “an intelligent man who found a way to transform his affinity for marijuana into a booming business that could both cure his financial woes and end his worklife tedium.”

As for his church, it has 2,000 members who can sign up online and includes two German shepherds and four “alarmingly young-looking teenagers” as members. And rather than a sacred house of worship, the federal prosecutors say the Beaches “church” looked like a secular drug shop and smoking den covered with Trailer Park Boys and other stoner culture posters.

“It looked to the world like a business,” Devlin told the court. “It looked like a cannabis community centre with a store attached.”

So is it really a religion or just an inside joke dreamed up by a couple of Cheech and Chong frat boys with the same kind of sense of humour that created the almighty Church of the Gerbil?

The faith dedicated to the furry rodent can be found on the Church of the Universe’s website (www.iamm.com) under affiliate “missions”. While it’s obviously a parody, Brother Kharaghani testified that they had every right to call themselves a genuine church as well.

“This could be a serious expression of religion?” he was asked.

“It could be. It could be...” Kharaghani replied.

So do they get charter protection as well? That’s about as ridiculous as calling a pot club a church.

“If freedom of religion is everything, then it’s nothing,” the Crown told the court. “If we extend the freedom of religion to the Church of the Gerbil, then we have killed the right.”

To which we can only say Amen.

Read Mandel Wednesday through Saturday. michele.mandel@sunmedia.ca or 416-947-2231

[wellwood2009]

This is fucking stupid.


How much money has been blown in court already for a drug that sits in the same fucking place as Beer.

Just for that. Im going to go take a hit. Bullshit law anyways.

[slapshot]

Originally Posted by wellwood2009

This is fucking stupid.


How much money has been blown in court already for a drug that sits in the same fucking place as Beer.

Just for that. Im going to go take a hit. Bullshit law anyways.

well you know, jesus experimented with pot as well. the guy burned a bush and then saw some trippy shit.

[ajrs2000]

Originally Posted by slapshot

well you know, jesus experimented with pot as well. the guy burned a bush and then saw some trippy shit.

Since you are familiar with Jesus, care to tell everyone what his thoughts were on homosexuality (going back about three/four posts)?


I'll wait....

[CrazyCanuckEh]

Originally Posted by slapshot

In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant
Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus
18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.

The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, written by a US man,
and posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of
debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other
elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there
'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room
here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also
tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go
to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?
Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family
affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan.

James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus,
Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education
University of Virginia PS (It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a
Canadian)

That was epic.

Has anyone read the Lolcat Bible before? Just reading the beginning is funny as hell. Here is a quote from the Genesis 1 translation

1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.
2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.
3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1
6 An Ceiling Cat sayed, im in ur waterz makin a ceiling. But he no yet make a ur. An he maded a hole in teh Ceiling.7 An Ceiling Cat doed teh skiez with waterz down An waterz up. It happen.8 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has teh firmmint wich iz funny bibel naim 4 ceiling, so wuz teh twoth day.
9 An Ceiling Cat gotted all teh waterz in ur base, An Ceiling Cat hadz dry placez cuz kittehs DO NOT WANT get wet.10 An Ceiling Cat called no waterz urth and waters oshun. Iz good.
11 An Ceiling Cat sayed, DO WANT grass! so tehr wuz seedz An stufs, An fruitzors An vegbatels. An a Corm. It happen.12 An Ceiling Cat sawed that weedz ish good, so, letz there be weedz.13 An so teh threeth day jazzhands.
14 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has lightz in the skiez for splittin day An no day.15 It happen, lights everwear, like christmass, srsly.16 An Ceiling Cat doeth two grate lightz, teh most big for day, teh other for no day.17 An Ceiling Cat screw tehm on skiez, with big nails An stuff, to lite teh Urfs.18 An tehy rulez day An night. Ceiling Cat sawed. Iz good.19 An so teh furth day w00t.
20 An Ceiling Cat sayed, waterz bring me phishes, An burds, so kittehs can eat dem. But Ceiling Cat no eated dem.21 An Ceiling Cat maed big fishies An see monstrs, which wuz like big cows, except they no mood, An other stuffs dat mooves, An Ceiling Cat sawed iz good.22 An Ceiling Cat sed O hai, make bebehs kthx. An dont worry i wont watch u secksy, i not that kynd uf kitteh.23 An so teh...fith day. Ceiling Cat taek a wile 2 cawnt.
24 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has MOAR living stuff, mooes, An creepie tings, An otehr aminals. It happen so tehre.25 An Ceiling Cat doed moar living stuff, mooes, An creepies, An otehr animuls, An did not eated tehm.
26 An Ceiling Cat sayed, letz us do peeps like uz, becuz we ish teh qte, An let min p0wnz0r becuz tehy has can openers.
27 So Ceiling Cat createded teh peeps taht waz like him, can has can openers he maed tehm, min An womin wuz maeded, but he did not eated tehm.
28 An Ceiling Cat sed them O hai maek bebehs kthx, An p0wn teh waterz, no waterz An teh firmmint, An evry stufs.
29 An Ceiling Cat sayed, Beholdt, the Urfs, I has it, An I has not eated it.30 For evry createded stufs tehre are the fuudz, to the burdies, teh creepiez, An teh mooes, so tehre. It happen. Iz good.
31 An Ceiling Cat sayed, Beholdt, teh good enouf for releaze as version 0.8a. kthxbai.

[slapshot]

Originally Posted by ajrs2000

Since you are familiar with Jesus, care to tell everyone what his thoughts were on homosexuality (going back about three/four posts)?


I'll wait....

these are the only two times Jesus mentioned homosexuality. a bit vague i know... but are you going to go on some trip saying it that what moses and the others claimed god told them about how and why to kill homosexuals was all BS?

What comes out of you is what defiles you. For from within, out of your hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile you. (TNIV, Mark 7:20-23)

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left." (Luke 17:34)

[tristan28]

Originally Posted by slapshot

these are the only two times Jesus mentioned homosexuality. a bit vague i know... but are you going to go on some trip saying it that what moses and the others claimed god told them about how and why to kill homosexuals was all BS?

Sexual immorality? Hmmm, I hope that does not include BJ's hahahahahahaha

[slapshot]

Originally Posted by tristan28

Sexual immorality? Hmmm, I hope that does not include BJ's hahahahahahaha

in those days when fucking animals, family members etc was accepted, the only immoral sex act was sodomy - aka homosexuality.